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BP	Central railway	#121	[-]
Posts: 69 (10/01/07 05:06:48) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Pankaj I dont understand what purpose is the article under reference serving here? Any person with whatsoever experience of getting the rail projects sanctioned would realise that this ridiculous brainchild of some oxbridge grad involving investment of 10b (2002 prices) will neither get political sanctions nor financial backing of a bank even though they try as much to show an IRR of 16% thru' a PPP/PFI project structure. Just b'cos these guys (with limited transport background) have a vision of having an electrified network doesnt add any value to the debate on this forum as the project is more to do with developing a network if there is sufficient demand rather than electrification or dieselisation. BTW, this is neither the pan-european view of rail network nor the planned future.
srivatsarp	Diesel and Forex	#122	[-]
Posts: 21 (10/04/07 19:43:24) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Saving of "precious foreign exchange" is often given as an important reason to electrify. The finance quietly aquiesces. Firstly, foreign exchange is no more "precious". Secondly, coal today is as much an imported commodity as HSD. In fact, India is a net exporter of Diesel! See the link below: www.thehindubusinessline....160700.htm
pankajp	NMR and electrification	#123	[-]
Posts: 347 (11/07/07 07:13:45) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	It seems that SR is going to propose electrification of NMR. Members may comment/discuss if it is required for benefit of tourists going to Ooty/overall IR's economic interest. NMR is MG track and not NG like other hill railways.
BeyondABoundary	Loop completed.	#124	[-]
Posts: 4 (11/08/07 00:14:53) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	This completes the loop again and brings us back to the enlightened Buddha's posting dated 2007/09/21: GIVE US MUKTI (CAST US ASIDE) --------------------------------- O' RP, It is nauseating. You guys never answered my basic question-what is the cost of hauling one tonne over one km by i) diesel and by ii) electric traction. Then I wrote about cost of generating one MW of electricity by i) burning diesel and ii) by burning coal. In reply you guys produced a great piece of archeology about my identity, but never answered my question. See this is a third rate turf war between Mcboys and the electricians. Please please don't make us IRASians a party to this non sense. And spare this forum. Buddha ------------------------- This topic surely refuses to die down and Shri RP is 'surely loving it' (ref: his posting dated 2007/09/24). Beyond A Boundary -- There is another world.
maheshkroy	Engine Hour Cost	#125	[-]
Posts: 23 (11/24/07 12:47:20) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Dear friends, As per Rly Bd's Rates Circular (Goods) No 65/2007 circulated vide Rly Bd's L/No TC-I/2002/214/5 dtd 08.06.07 train engine hour cost of BG Electric Train Engine is Rs 7730/- while for BG Diesel Train Engine it is only 4370/-. So even though we have not been able to calculate the unit cost of hauling one ton over one km by electric/diese traction we have one authentic 'official' data which proves that electric traction is about 1.76 times costlier than diesel traction. Mahesh
maheshkroy	Electric traction & CO2 emmissions	#126	[-]
Posts: 23 (12/08/07 04:50:21) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Dear friends, As per a report by Greenpeace India ('Hiding Behind Poors") diesel train emits 0.13 kg CO2 gas per person/km while electric train emits 0.17 kg CO2 gas per person/km. Another data on environment friendliness of Diesel traction vis-a-vis electric Traction. Mahesh
srivatsarp	Mobilisation of Armed Forces	#127	[-]
Posts: 15 (04/06/08 20:12:38) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Please see a link to the quick mobilisation strategy of the Indian Armed forces in the April 7 issue of the India Today: http://indiatoday.digitaltoday.in/index.php?option=com_content&Itemid=1&task=view&id=6289&sectionid=40&issueid=47&page=archieve A little known fact is that ever since the electrification of Delhi-Ambala-Amritsar line, movement of army equipment by rail, such as vehicles, tanks and howitzers has become impossible. Now these necessarily have to go by road. Also, the strategic rail-mobile missiles, for which the army has procured special wagons, cannot be fired from rails due to the OHE. In a war scenario, keeping your missiles mobile is essential to save them from getting located and hit. Even the troop movement by rail can be sabotaged by simply causing the OHE to trip with a clothesline! Please remember that electrification of Delhi-Ambala-Amritsar was justified on "STRATEGIC GROUNDS". And now the Kashmir line is being electrified. Whose strategy is it? The empire-building, pocket-lining electrical engineering department, the indifferent operating department or the meekly-acquiescing railway finance? Welcome to the great Indian Electrification Scam. But don't compromise with national security at least. R P Srivatsa
pkatre		#128	[-]
Posts: 122 (04/07/08 01:46:54) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Why blame Railway Finance or even for that matter anybody in the MOR. The Strategic Lines must have been electrified with the consent of Defence and Finance Ministry. It is really disgusting and depressing to note that policy making at the highest levels has become so muddleheaded and shortsighted that the security of the country is in jeopardy. The top echelons in bureaucracy have compared themselves with the CEOs of top Corporations while seeking equivalent remunerations in the Sixth PC, but in pvt sector environment, heads would have rolled had such gaffes come to the notice. If such strategic decision making is held hostage to cerebral paralysis, then sixth pc has rightly given us what we deserved- peanuts. The only silver lining now appears to be at the end of 15 years, when we can give a decent burial to our UPSC dreams and redeem our lives. By the way, we should end this Electrification thread which has generated only heat and no light and has created a record of sorts by running into 13 pages. Those interested are free to start a blog for elaborating their conspiracy theories. Parag.
srivatsarp	Oil at US$36 - Now What	#129	[-]
Posts: 21 (12/20/08 23:25:01) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Under the manipulative JICA and quietly acquiescing, probably colluding bureaucracy of the IR, it was decided to electrify the Western Dedicated Freight Corridor. Oil was at US$ 120 - US$145 at that time. Now that the oil has dropped to US$ 36, will there be a relook at this project and indeed into all electrification projects? So much for our LRDSS and project planning. Loooooong Range, Huh!
malikapm	MYOPIC THAT WE ARE	#130	[-]
Posts: 10 (12/21/08 22:25:54) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Why do you want to fund the terrorists by buying their oil? We can not have electric road vehicles any time soon. Rail being ideally suited to electrification, IR should take a lead and electrify all the lines including MG and NG. This surge over last three decades or so in the moribund ideology of war on infidels is only and only because of the infidel money pouring into the coffers of those who dream of subjugating all the infidels. We should not be financing our own slavery. As for the price of oil, as the economy picks up, it will rise faster than it has fallen. Our career prospects should not blind us to death. A P MALIK DyCE/C/II/CCG
karticc	at what cost?	#131	[-]
Posts: 113 (12/29/08 22:29:05) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Any idea what is the percentage of diesel consumed by the Railways, as compared to the consumption in the country as a whole? I think its 3 %. And the freight corridor is just a part of the Railways so the consumption of diesel on it would be miniscule. So whether it is financilly justified, that has to be seen, rather than base the decision on some perceived threat from the oil producers.

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