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rahuliras	Combining of works	Lead	[-]
Posts: 5 (12/12/05 21:43:05) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None The stipulation of minimum eligibility criteria for open tenders above Rs 10 lakhs as given by Sudhir Chandra committee needs some clarification. The executives may sometime combine two-three works and float an open tender for combined works. The reasons may be like ease of contract management (e.g. when number of works are there), or economies of scale since single firm will be doing a large value work. Certain situations mentioned below need some delibration. 1. If all the works combined are individually of value less than Rs 10 lakh but when combined, the value is more than Rs 10 lakh. 2. One work is less than 10 lakh and the other work costs more than Rs 10 lakh. 3. Both/all works are more than 10 lakh Rs. Do we insert the eligibility criteria in case 1 & 2 above? If we do, then isnt it going to restrict competition thereby leading to higher rates. For case 3 the eligibility criteria will have to be inserted since both individually and as well as combined, the tender value will be more than Rs 10 lakh. However, if the tenders are floated individually then more parties would be fulfilling the eligibility criteria than when we combine the work. In this case also by combining the work competition is getting restricted. Is there any clarification given on combining of works? Rahul Kapoor ADFM Ranchi
scmitra	Re: Combining of works	#1	[-]
Posts: 590 (12/13/05 00:24:28) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The Eligibility Criteria conditions implicitly persuades thinkig people to stop thinking and use them mechanically.Hence donot use your brains.Just see the NIT value. More than Rs. 10 Lakhs, incorporate it.Hence in your case, all three would have this criteria as NIT value is more. S.C.Mitra
pankajp	Re: Combining of works	#2	[-]
Posts: 347 (12/13/05 04:44:15) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	It is not the value of NIT but the "open tenders costing above Rupees ten lakhs" that decides incorporation of minimum eligibility criteria. Ideally, each work must be advertised separately through NIT
rahuliras	Combining of works	#3	[-]
Posts: 5 (12/13/05 09:23:26) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	In my second attempt to pose my question, let me rephrase While I appreciate and understand the rule, my concern here is on the practical validity and the use of the rule. In my observation of the practical application of the rule, when there is a need to combine two or more works totaling to an amount of over Rs. 10 lakh: both technical and financial criteria get imposed on each contractor. This is not in the capacity of most firms bidding for the tender. This eliminates a number of competitors who would have been eligible if the work was not combined. The main issue here is of ensuring adequate competition. Eligibility criteria is inserted to ensure that only capable contractors (both technically and financially) are awarded the work thereby restricting the competitors and hence leading to possibly higher rates. Therefore in case of works where the criteria is not inserted, logically we should be getting better rates as more parties are involved. I agree that ideally each work should be advertised separately. But railways is less than an ideal place. It is quite common to see works getting combined and only one open tender being floated for the ease of management. The executives may justify it by saying that there are 100+ minor works sanctioned for my division. I cant be expected to float 100+ tenders separately!. And therefore the best way seems to be combination of works, lesser competition and higher rates.
scmitra	Practicality.	#4	[-]
Posts: 590 (12/14/05 08:39:11) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	My Dear Rahul When you wrote "practical validity and the use of the rule", I am sure you were kidding and wrote so in the lighter vein. Practicality etc. is not something which bogs us down while framing rules.You must understand that framing of rules are in the nature of divine rights given to higher echeleons of officialdom. (Akin to the divine rights of the Americans to rule & preach the world.)The lower minions are there to obey.(To quote the poet:- ours is to do and die, and not to question why?!). However dispensation is also given in the form of taking FA's approval and GM's sanction, if one wants to have different set of Eligibility Criteria. Pankaj's submission foxes me. I am sure it talks about the 'advertised value of the tender'.Anyway, evry coin has two sides and EC also has those in the form of 'economy of scale' and 'restricting competition'. One has to arrive at the optimum mix! Saurabh
abhishek	Re: Combining of works	#5	[-]
Posts: 21 (12/16/05 05:28:05) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	rahul did u get the answer?????? i think saurav sir is right....mechanical application of mind esp if you are an accounts fellow!!!! abhishek ADFM/MGS
Govindu	Re: Combining of works	#6	[-]
Posts: 1001 (12/16/05 22:15:51) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Nice to see two young minds here, welcome. Even without undermining the value of accounts officers in the name of mechanical application of mind, the end solution is what saurab has already said. Combining two or more works make one "work" only when eligibility criteria is applied. all the best. Eligibility criteria here is applied on the basis of value of advertised tender value while TC is nominated on the basis of Value of L1. Govindu nfr
kkgoyal1	combining more than one work	#7	[-]
Posts: 381 (12/17/05 03:57:42) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Respected all, Apart from codes, manuals and Sudhir Chandra Committee recommendations combining more than one works is always beneficial as there are less tender advertisement cost, less tender committee cases, less briefing notes and Tabulation statements, less contracts, variation , completion reports ...................... and so on. and as such I insists executives that as many no. of works are clubbed it is advantageous and in our division most of the works sanctioned in DRM LS Grant and even under GM LAW books are clubbed. e.g. there are three telephone exchanges sanstioned under GM LAW Book at Howrah, Bandel and Burdwan and I suggested SR.DSTE that these three works should be clubbed. and in one case in our Rly. most of the Bridge works are clubbed together and a tender approx. of 20 Crores was advertised and awarded. without clubbing it is very difficult to manage a large no. of tenders cases especially in a very big division like Howrah. what will happen to work register............. ? KKGOYAL IRAS-95

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