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jaikumar	railnet! reality becomes dream!!!	Lead	[-]
Posts: 2 (02/25/05 06:51:23) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None dear officers! In southern railway we have a funny order as the railnet connectivity will be available to offcers of jag grade and above or officers of independent charge. In the era of computeraisation and sharing info thro emails and downloading information from net from varius sources for prices of various commodoties helps accounts officers to function dynamicaly and react quickly. i am being an iras officer felt so bad of this order . Junior or sr.scale officers being denied of this facility qutionable. when we contact personaly for registeration they look at us suspeciously as we are misusers of inernet. in this fast communication age,if i dont use net and lost contact for 5 yrs from now on with my fellow officers and i dont think i can reestablish my network and can be a vibrant officer. For example we dont have any clear cut policy guideline for earning contracts and we are out sourcing lot of activity now. iras time came in time and FA&CAO/g.ECR has the compendium and to be contacted thro mail for CD. if i see this after 5 yrs and finalise with best of my knowledge(ofcourse the decision would be reasonable ) without this added information i would be lacking in one or other aspects. one side we talk of vibrant officers and other side make unreasonable decision which dissapoint officers at young age who come with full motivation and make them to become an "railway employees". even we junior and sr scale officer of southern railway can't see our web site and can get valuble information henceforth. can any officer at railway board level can help us?. i wonder! is an austrrity measures? i bet i can save more money to railways thro my wide knowledge than what my bosses think that it is saved by eliminaating us from net connectivity. on behalf of all officers of jr and sr scale jaikumar.n adfm/pgt/sr
scmitra	Re: railnet! reality becomes dream!!!	#1	[-]
Posts: 590 (02/25/05 08:50:20) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Dear Jai I fully understand and empathise with you at this insensitive and at times foolish system of attaching grade with each and everything in the Railways.Remember, in the Railways if you are an SAG officer and you are posted in Siachen Glaciers, you will be entitled for AC, you will demand an AC and also get one!!!(This dialogue is protected by copyright acts!) Field officers need net connectivity and Accounts officers of the field need it more than the executives in the field and in any case this need is irrespective of the grade.I will go to the extent of saying that there might be an inverse correlation between the grade and the need for the net connectivity(and uasge of net). Please somebody unshackle this fountain of freedom and knowledge called internet from this mindless bureaucratic beggary. Please.Motivation of our officers is at stake. Saurabh
freefall	Re: railnet! reality becomes dream!!!	#2	[-]
Posts: 185 (02/25/05 18:04:03) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Dear Jai & Saurabh, What happens when you realize that your subordinate is more competent than you?... You feel threatened... And then you react... It is all natural, my friends !!!... A new technology comes, usially younger officers sense the future potential and quickly adapt to it. Policy makers are left wondering what is so great about it. If the technology is really good, it also implies that there are ways to improve over what those worthies did in their times. But as we all know, people of the yore had reached perfection and set infalliable precedents, over which mere mortals cannot hope to make any improvements. Any deviation from past precedence is heresy--plain and simple... However I think that by arguing over finance vs. executive & grade vs. grade, we are diluting the point. It is not that web connectivity is needed by finance officers or executive officers to more effectively discharge their duties. I, for one, use it mostly to just surf the web. Web connectivity is needed today to simply remain an informed person irrespective of the fact, whether it helps in discharge of duties or not. Linking it with a ROR is diluting the whole issue. Usually being an informed person helps in decision making, but that is beside the point. Technology is changing at such a fast pace that if you are not constantly updating yourself, you run the risk of becoming irrelevent. I think that is more critical than any immediate return which we are trying to link.
scmitra	Re: railnet! reality becomes dream!!!	#3	[-]
Posts: 590 (02/26/05 08:35:38) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Dear Freefall Your persuasiveness has won me over to your side!I hope to be enriched more by you on my email id scmitra@yahoo.com. I guess being informed also covers being informed of the identity of Mr. Freefall. And this ,for once, will not amount to dilution of the point! Awaiting a response from the real you(under assurance of strict confidence) Saurabh
Govindu	Railnet JAG Orders	#4	[-]
Posts: 1001 (03/01/05 04:38:54) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Dear Jai, Such high handed orders do exist in NF Railway too. When I joined as ADAO, I neither had computer nor railnet. My "Son of the Soil" Boss had one PC and he made an A/C Clerk learn ms word/excel to prepare MCDO. But Luckily I got one PC From Sr DEN and also got internet user id/password from Sr DSTE. One last word: Once you are transfered from that post and next it is occupaid by Old man, then you see that one big cover the PC will wear over it for ages. Majority of Jr/Sr Scale Officers are from Group B and they do not know and does not want know computers. What is the fun leaving things covered for years in one corner. I have 24 PCs here in my office now but only 7 or 8 see the user in the morning. Rest are covered. I wanted to give PCs to all Section Officers and therefore everybody above in hierarchy got the PC in their chambers. This may be one of the reasons for S&T Bosses to take such decision. Govindu dyfa/con/nfr
ananth	SR-an IT friendly Railway!	#5	[-]
Posts: 911 (03/01/05 21:42:18) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	It is sad tolearn that SR, which has pioneered the IT wave in IR through PRIME & AFRES has framed such rules. In SECR, PCs have been given to each SO in HQ and all accounts officers in the divisions. And all these PCs have Railnet connectivity with access to the Net. And work has not been adversely affected. I am sure the higher authorities in SR will reconsider this rule and give Railnet connectivity to all officers. Ananth Dy.FA/SECR
karticc	Railnet	#6	[-]
Posts: 126 (03/01/05 22:14:19) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Surely, with Sri Parthasarthy at the helm, solution to the problem being faced by Jai will soon be history! (Now that it is known to all) Providing Railnet, and thru it, the net, to all SO's might not be such a good idea, as it might lead to AFRES servers being exposed to viruses etc. In Jabalpur Divn, all AFRES computers do not have connection to railnet and vice versa. Kartic Chauhan
ananth	Net to SO's!	#7	[-]
Posts: 911 (03/02/05 21:23:50) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Sir, the Net facility has been provided to the PCs which they use for non- PRIME & AFRES related work. However, the Net facility is availble on the thin clients used for P&A as M/s CMC is using the Railnet cable for networking all the thin clients. Ananth Dy.FA (WST)/SECR
ranjanesh	Free Fall	#8	[-]
Posts: 652 (03/05/05 11:04:44) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Dear Saurabh, Your response might have put the free Freeall in a freefall except that the end is always in a THUD. Unfortunately the genuine plea of a JUNIOR officer has got submerged in this attrition of words. well wishing more connectivity to more people and more wisdom to some who really relish in the FREE FOR All scenarios. Ranjanesh
sunilware	Re: Free Fall	#9	[-]
Posts: 18 (07/17/06 04:34:08) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Respected Sirs N. Jaikumar IRAS who had started this topic passed away due to cancer on 14 june 2006. He has a 9 months old daughter. He was from 1999 exam batch, a Ph D holder from Pusa agri institute. Very sporting, cooperative person of our batch. He was posted in SR. we called him master.he was a fountain of courage,fun,joy. a very dedicated and friendly person.A lively person in the batch,helpful and a jolly man. At this hour of crisis lets pray to the almighty that HE gives courage to the family members-parents,wife and the little angel. Sunil Ware DFM/LMG eb1999
pkatre	Shocking news	#10	[-]
Posts: 145 (07/17/06 20:46:28) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	It is really shocking to know that Jaikumar has left us. It is heartbreaking when one gets the news that the lifes journey of a young and lively person has been cut short by cruel designs of destiny. The grief is even more because I have had the occasion of closely interacting with Jaikumar when he was a probationer and had come for training to Chennai when I was posted as ADAO/MAS. Words cannot express magnitude of loss to the family, friends and colleagues. I pray to the Almighty for peace to departed soul and strength for the family to face this tragic loss. Parag Katre SrDFM/JBP
ananth	Tragedy in IRAS family!	#11	[-]
Posts: 911 (07/17/06 20:52:35) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	It is really sad to know about the sudden demise of Jaikumar. A cruel end to a young soul. And a cruel end to a relevant posting on this board. May God give his family the courage to bear this irreparable loss. Ananth Sr.DFM/BSP
subbu98	May God rest his soul in peace.	#12	[-]
Posts: 182 (07/18/06 04:47:05) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	It was Ilangovan who broke the news of inevitability to me when I had called him up in the last week of May for some personal work. The news that Jaikumar was suffering from sarcoma and slowly and gradually heading for the inevitability. I always knew that Ilangovan, Ganesh (my batchmate and now in Tamilnadu State Administrative Service), Selvam (my batchmate from IRTS and now in IAS) and Jaikumar went together to college, and that Ilangovan should know what he was saying. Yet my first reaction was that of a shock, and I went like: "Ilangovan, are you sure it's not a mistake? It must be his mother, not him." Even though Ilangovan gave me all the details, something inside me hoped against a hope - just like the time when I knew what could be the urgent call about and yet I had hoped against a hope that my brother, who was hail and hearty in the morning and all of a sudden was admitted to a ICU, has not died - when I got it confirmed from Ganesh. Strange are the ways of life. We invariably end up probing a reason behind such strangeness, knowing fully well that we would never be able to find it. It seems like yesterday when Jaikumar had reported at BNR after his probation. It seems like yesterday when we sat together to draft his representation to the Railway Board for a transfer to Southern Railway on account his mother's cancer treatment. It seems like yesterday when we would hope together late into the night that the Railway Board would accept his request and my request - those days I had also represented on account of my father's cancer treatment - and when we would plan where should he request for a posting in Southern Railway. Jaikumar left for his native place a few days after that. That was February of 2003. My transfer to Delhi had also started looking like a distinct reality. In fact, I left Calcutta shortly after that. The Bakrid feast that we had at my place - courtesy Makram, one of my staff in South Eastern Railway - or the few world cup matches that we watched together shall now be etched in my memory for ever. So would be the knowledge that it was around the time Jaikumar put up with me in Calcutta that I saw my brother for the last time. Looking back, I again wonder about the strange ways of life. Jaikumar's mother is in remission from her breast cancer and she lost her young son. It was not long after the doctors had concluded that my father was in remission from his cancer that he had lost his youngest child. Jaikumar was a happy individual. Now I realise that it was his simplicity that was the fountainhead of the happiness that he gave others. I again feel inclined to believe that he should have lived longer. But then strange are the ways of life. May his soul rest in peace. subhashisha nath DGM (F), RCIL.
subbu98	Can the fraternity do something for the family?	#13	[-]
Posts: 182 (07/18/06 04:57:45) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	When Pawas, a IRTS officer of 2000 batch died, the entire IRTS fraternity had got together to contribute a fund to Bhawna, the bereaved wife and the two children. It is irrelevant how Jaikumar's family is placed. But he was one amongst us. May be we could do something. We realized in case of Pawas that such a fund had come handy. Can some officer from Southern Railway take the lead? subhashisha nath.
scmitra	What a tragedy!	#14	[-]
Posts: 590 (07/18/06 08:46:32) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The news is shocking and beyond belief and words are inadequate to express the deep sense of loss which all of us and specially the family would be feeling. May God give them the courage to bear this tragedy. And I whole heartedly agree with Subhashish that all of us should contribute to the fund. And whether or not we have raised such kinds of fund in the past is irrelevant. We must start this now and set a precedent. Somebody from Southern railway may take a lead. But for times like these when organisational capabilities are needed, we can always bank on our trusted webmaster. So how much to contribute? Rs. 500/- each?? Saurabh
pankajp	Role of FROA	#15	[-]
Posts: 347 (07/18/06 21:16:28) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Mitra Sir With due respect, your post places a big question on the role and effectiveness of FROA. Such assistance to the bereaved family must come from FROA and for this purpose, all officers (Group A) can contrribute every month in a fund, to be managed by FROA. Such useful practice is prevalent in organisations like Uttar Pradesh State Electricity Board. However, in case of Railway Officers, FROA is always found to be late in its response. So it is left to the members of the service to assist in whatever manner they can.
Govindu	Jai Kumar	#16	[-]
Posts: 1001 (07/18/06 21:34:44) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Life is strange. These kind of sudden deaths shake the beliefs of all around. Two deaths in IRAS family from SR is more worry. Officers in SR will definately doing all help but nothing like all IRAS Officers helping the family. I think Webemaster sir is the best suited for taking the lead and creating "IRAS Welfare Fund". Govindu 1996eb
karticc	Jai	#17	[-]
Posts: 126 (07/19/06 02:07:38) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	This is very tragic news, and especially for the family. And a nine month old daughter.... IRAS Benevolent fund is in existance, but I'm not sure how much funds are available. But if my memory serves me right, some funds were made available to him (Jai) for his treatment. Anand Prakash, Dir Accs (Budget) Rly Bd is the guy in charge. Kartic Chauhan
scmitra	Re: Jai	#18	[-]
Posts: 590 (07/19/06 08:25:55) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	In that case can we request Bhatnagar Sir or someother person who is in charge of that fund to give the Balance sheet of that fund and its usage criteria, people for whom disbursements were done etc. so that all of us are aware about the actual position. Can all of us become monthly contributor to some corpus to be managed centrally(professionally) by investing in stocks/ mutual funds so that part of the fund balance can be utilised in unfortunate times like these? Any takers for this burden? Saurabh
buddhatheenlightenedone	A tragedy	#19	[-]
Posts: 108 (07/19/06 08:44:21) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Such are the tragic and unfortunate , cruel ways of this world. The finality, the knowledge that we will never get to see him again. And that a wife will have to face this world without her soulmate, and a child will have to grow without her father..... In such tragic instances, compassionate appointment is offered to the wife of the deceased officer. In the Railways the offer is made for a group C post. I have seen that in State Govts, the appointment to the wife of a deceased officer is always given as an officer not on a group C post. Our GMs are competent to appoint persons upto the group C posts only. That seems to be the rationale. But something which is possible for State Govts must be possible for a central govt department also. I request FROA to look onto the whole issue in detail. Compassionate appointments may not be possible to group A services, but it should be possible to offer a group B post to the wife of a deceased officer. Buddha
Alok Bhatnagar	Sad news	#20	[-]
Posts: 225 (07/23/06 00:14:45) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Sorry I was not aware of this sad news; otherwise I would have posted an obituary on IRAS Times. May God grant peace to the departed soul and courage to Mrs Jairam and the little one. As far as IRAS Officers' Benevolent Fund is concerned, Anand Prakash is in charge of the same. The initial corpus was collected by taking Rs 250/- each from IRAS officers when they joined service. Those who have not paid can contact Anand. A further contribution was made from the Platinum Jubilee Fund. However, I agree that if a regular contribution is made by all IRAS officers, a more substantial collection can be made and the corpus can be further strengthened. I will tell Anand to float the idea. It will require approval at a GBM of IRAS Association. Alok Bhatnagar Webmaster

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