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vipulsingh	tenders and departments	Lead	[-]
Posts: 297 (04/05/04 03:41:50) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Tags : None One open tender for " SITC of telephone exchange (intercom)" in electric loco shed Kanpur has recently been floated by Sr.DEE/TRS/Kanpur/NCR. One similar proposal for repair of defective intercom at Lumding diesel shed, initiated by undersigned at Lumding diesel shed, was not agreed to by the then DFM on the ground of clear demarcation of telecom maintainence responsibility to S&T department. Is Allahabad division doing something incorrect? Vipul Singh IRSME'92
ranjanesh	Tenders	#1	[-]
Posts: 652 (04/05/04 04:07:43) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Allahabad division is wrong to the extent that funds for repairs of S&T assets is controlled by S&T Branch. If a liability is incurred without funds availability, it would be irregular.This may also be interpreted to mean that if S&T Department makes its fund available to Electrical Branch and Electrical Branch is capable of executing the work, it can merrily do so. well this may also be incorrect as S&T Establishment ( Revenue) Budget is also allocated on the basis of maintenance activity on hand and workcharged provision for workcharged posts in S&T department will also be based on the quantum of S&T works on hand. it is necessary therefore that the work is not reduced to the status of " Dhobi ka Gadha Naa Ghar Kaa......". In rare exceptional case this Departmental compartmentalisation can be broken if circumstances permit so. For Example, we had to go in for Private Security in the case of a car shed when RPFexpressed inability to man it or float a contract itself; when security was a must as costly assets had to be guarded against theft; when RPF agreed to spare funds from demand No 12 k as owing to vacancies and selections pending their funds in PU 1 and PU 2 ( Wages and DA ) were getting surrendered. Ranjanesh Sahai 1986 EB Ranjanesh
Govindu	LMG intercom repairs	#2	[-]
Posts: 1001 (04/06/04 03:02:52) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Dear Vipul, Do you still remember your Old Shed? But, in retun I vetted for "incoming only" DOT phones for the shed.There are many instances that we see irregularities in NIT but there is no way to control such things. Neither that is our job. But unlike the above practice of getting funds from Demand 12k, we had charged private security expenditure under pu32 / Demand 5C. That might be wrong. Govindu 1996eb
vipulsingh	tenders and Tandon	#3	[-]
Posts: 297 (04/06/04 03:56:20) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The issue requires serious discussion as recently one open tender was floated by Principal/Indian Railway institute of Track Machines/Allahabad for maintanence of electrical installations in IRITM. So we have case of a civil engineer maintaining electrical installations. Similarly security tenders are being finalised by respective departments and not by the security branch. The flexibility provided by works contracts is showing way for implementation of Tandon committee's recommendation ! Vipul Singh IRSME'92.
ranjanesh	Re: tenders and Tandon	#4	[-]
Posts: 652 (04/13/04 03:58:54) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	IRITM may not be the right example. such institutions have to do everything themselves as they get their own grant for maintenance and at times do not have the resources , unless the AEN of the area also decides to provide assistance. Security Tenders are floated by other Departments as Security Branch does not have the expertise to deal with Tenders. The funds even in such cases should be provided under Demand No 12 K only . Ranjanesh
pankajp	again same discussion	#5	[-]
Posts: 352 (11/21/06 22:40:59) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Copied and pasted from www.iricen.gov.in -------------- On suburban section we have been awarding contracts for the following works which are considered essential for better working conditions 1. Contracts for radio trunking sets. The PWIs at site can easily communicate with each other as well as PWI-control. These are very useful for especially during traffic block working. THe cost is only Rs.1500/- per set per month and we are hiring about seventy sets. 2. Contract for lighting arrangements during night We have contracts for lighting arrangements for night working with 2.1 KVA D.G sets with 4 halogen lamps of 500Watt capacity at cost of around Rs.800/- per night shift of 8 hours. 3. Contract for dewatering during monsoon We also have contracts for dewatering using 20HP pumps during monsoons to pump water from low lying areas During discussions with our accounts officer, she stated that these tenders for contracts at Sr.No.1 are to be dealt by S&T department and contracts at Sr.No.2 & 3 should be dealt by electrical department. Treating these like T&P items can the tenders for these works invited and finalised by Engg department. --------------- Who is right-IRSE or IRAS? Why not have a contract manageement deprtment like they do it in NTPC? Make it ex-cadre organisation.
freefall	Again same discussion	#6	[-]
Posts: 185 (11/23/06 06:13:48) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	"Why not have a contract manageement deprtment like they do it in NTPC? Make it ex-cadre organisation." May be a good idea. May be not. We will not know what it is unless we try; and something in me tells that we will never try it. Departmental boundaries are sacrosanct in railways. At least bureaucrats are not going to change it. It is only in railways that we need a separate electrical contractor for fixing bulbs and fans in a multi-crore building. You should see the funny battles pitched by engineering and electrical departments at the time of fixtures and mess removal. Who will drill the hole in wall? Electrical or engineering? Who will do the touch up after hole drilling? Who will provide for the hook for the ceiling? Who will fix it? These ponderous issues can be found nowhere else but in railways. Even railways own undertakings such as IRCON have realized this folly and go for a consolidated contract -- not us. At least one railway had to issue an HOD-level joint circular for differentiating between the maintenance responsibilities of a 'nail' and a 'screw' in a coach. For the ignorants: nail is a non-threaded fixture and will be the responsibility of 'carpenter' of electrical department; screw is a threaded fixture and will be the responsibility of 'fitter' of mechanical department. Moral of the story: Never, never try to encroach upon departmental fiefdoms in railways. It may not be in the best interests of railways, but it is certainly in your best interests.
ananth	Hitting the nail!	#7	[-]
Posts: 911 (11/23/06 21:17:59) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Mr.Freefall, you have hit the nail. Never mind which department has to really do it. Ananth Sr.DFM/BSP
pankajp	Re: Hitting the nail!	#8	[-]
Posts: 352 (11/23/06 21:52:16) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Then Mr Ananth Sir What is the justification for having so may specialised technical departments in Indian Railways?
anil kumar patel	need to differentiate between core work and anciliary works	#9	[-]
Posts: 61 (11/23/06 22:46:29) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	We need to differentiate between a core work and an anciliary work. When an engineering work needs lighting arrangement by contract its a minor work crucial for doing the major work so it should be done by the department doing the major work itself. If any technical help is required it should be given freely by the deprtment concerned which has a core competence in that subject. Similarly when it comes to concreting for electrical mast it should be done by electrical wing themselves with technical help (if required) taken from civil. wing. Same goes for signaling works involving concrete foundations for signals LB etc, which should be done by the department doing the major works (i.e. signaling). Evolution happens in nature also it should be allowed in day to day works in Railways, otherwise extinction will be nature's response to non evolution.
irse	Re: need to differentiate between core work and anciliary wo	#10	[-]
Posts: 126 (01/29/07 18:49:04) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The basic purpose of tendering is to get the works execute at desirable specification at most economical cost .Once this purpose is ensured ,It hardly matter who calls the tenders.Normally sufferer or user should call tender .If user does not have sufficient resources ,he may take assistance from technical deptt In SER Signal cabins was tendered by signal deptt instead of engg deptt & one IOW was posted under dycste/con for supervision as cost of civil works was hardly few lakhs whereas costly signal works suffers if cabin are not done in time

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