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pankajp	Pune Railway Station	Lead	[-]
Posts: 347 (07/22/07 21:23:24) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None www.iricen.gov.in/modules...opic&t=753 Is it time for stopping all sanctioned works under plan head "Passenger Amenities" for improvement of Railway Stations? What does a hapless poor passenger really gets in return after regular spending of crores of rupees of improvement of railway stations? Why no post expenditure audit is being done on money spent on works done under plan head "passenger amenities"?
ananth	Passenger Amenities!	#1	[-]
Posts: 911 (07/23/07 20:40:34) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Alternatively, Pankaj, it may sound a little elitist but sometimes one gets the feeling that whether at all we should invest so much money in Passenger Amenities. Do our passengers deserve so many facilities. Considering the users we cater to and the civic sense they display in our stations, I can't help but get this feeling. You put dustbins every 20m but the litter would be thrown anywhere and in many stations, more so in the Northern part of the country, every square inch of the platform and the walls is littered with paan marks. But here our DRM has constituted a committee (of which I am a member) to suggest ways to publicize the works we are undertaking and also suggest methods of user education for better level of services at our stations. Ananth Sr.DFM/BSP
Govindu	Poverty in India	#2	[-]
Posts: 1001 (07/23/07 22:06:05) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Railway Stations are home away from home for those millions who are migration labourers coming from various villages to cities for a cup of rice and dal. Poverty has a direct impact on Railway station. Do something in that direction or just face it. Other raesons for dirty paltforms are manageable but not poverty. Govindu.
BP	Passenger amenities	#3	[-]
Posts: 69 (07/24/07 00:36:11) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Ananth The panacea of the problem is not in publicizing or assuming that we are doing too much. Interesting suggestions has been made on IRICEN website by NP Garg. This is worth a read. 1st of all, different problems will have different solution. If spitting is the problem, what makes us believe that spittons that we make is the solution. How often do you feel like going to smelly and dirty spittons to spit? If Ananth or Govindu or BP do not like to use the spitton, how do u expect others to use it. We have to think like an ordinary person and understand what drives his behaviour. Can we design a better thing? If, not can we have a system in place that cleans up the spitton every 30mins? If staffing is an issue (and will be an issue), can we mechanise this cleaning? This will mean having some kind of jet built into the spitton, a regular supply of water and a drainange outlet. All this will require some resources, some out-of-the box thinking and most importantly willingness to find answers to the problem rather than measure success in terms of money spent.
ananth	Passenger Amenities!	#4	[-]
Posts: 911 (07/24/07 20:54:12) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I seemed to have written a rather provocative mail on our Passenger amenity works. Yes, BP, we must think out of the box and I shall surely go through the write-up on the IRICEN site. Mechanized cleaning is a solution and we are going to shortly float a tender for Bilaspur station but I am really apprehensive about its effectiveness in consistent maintenance of the cleanlines standards. I have also earlier said that we need to do a great deal to improve the cleanliness of the tracks which is always in a filthy state and it is only the rodents which can move around the place. As a passenger, I would not like to stand on the platform before the train arrives. The washable aprons are in a poor state, the drainage is clogged and unless we do something about this, we would not be redressing the basic complaint of the ordinary passenger. Ananth Sr.DFM/BSP
BP	Kya karein	#5	[-]
Posts: 69 (07/26/07 02:53:45) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Ananth Cleanliness of track is a different problem from cleanliness of platform. Therefore it will have a different solution, budget, project structures and timeframes. Whilst I have mentioned about mechanisation of cleaning activity that wasn't the intent of my message. I simply want to reinforce that if there is problem, you have to think 'what drives us to behave in that manner'. Is there a way to improve things? Mechanized cleaning isn't always the best answer. The basics like 'even' CC apron, adequate water supply, drainage system that works etc. have to be there. Meanwhile, large part of the problem mentioned on IRICEN website is also due to crowding. Could we do something about crowd management? Crowding at platforms, although may appear to a cultural thing, I believe it is also a function of state of passenger amenities.
ananth	Passenger Amenities!	#6	[-]
Posts: 911 (07/28/07 00:15:24) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	BP Sir, cleanliness of the track cannot be dissociated from the cleanliness of the platforms. What is the use if we create platforms with excellent flooring, lighting, display boards etc. and we have the adjacent tracks filled with filth generating foul smell and with the drains clogged with solid waste? In Bilaspur, we precisely have this problem. The replacement of washable aprons on Platform No.1 was sanctioned in the year 2003-04 and has been constantly appearing in the Pink Book despite the fact that we have not spent a rupee. The problem - COM would not give a block for 45 days on the platform in view of the increased number of train services. What we have done now is to develop Platform No.7 & 8, which are nearing completion and they would take the load of Platform No.1 for 45 days. The result of this problem - filth getting stuck on the tracks, clogged drains etc. and more importantly, a dissatisfied passenger. We are trying to tackle this problem by making it (declogging and desilting of drains) a part of the mechanized cleaning tender. This is tentative as the estimate is yet to be sanctioned. And this would be done in synchronization with a rag-picking contract to ensure that solid waste doesn't get into the drains and clog the system. Ananth Sr.DFM/BSP
Hemant Bhagoria	Re: Passenger Amenities!	#7	[-]
Posts: 1 (09/03/07 10:06:45) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	It is like wearing nice clothes. Why we wear neat, ironed, and smart dress/ when even ordinary dress can cover the body. This is the age of selling the product. We are also in the bussiness of transportation and should learn to transport humans differently than commodities. The PA is like dressing well and influecing the "esteemed cutomer". When we start thinking on the corporate lines? If you donot spend on things like PA, what will you do with Rs 20,000 crore! surplus. Definitely a part of that to go to the user in addition to organisation growth. The problem is in implementation, lack of professionalism and expertise. We should hire the outside professionals, architects, but alas the powers are very less to the DRM. Accountability is lacking mainly due to large numbers of players involved at every stage, rduce it, accountability automatically comes.
freefall	Passenger Amenities	#8	[-]
Posts: 185 (09/04/07 11:49:02) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Welcome Hemant on IRAS forums! Please do not take things spoken here personally. No one is saying that PA works are not required. Only thing that is being questioned here is if we are doing it in the best possible manner. I am sure getting the most bang for our buck is in everyone's interest.
ananth	Passenger Amenities!	#9	[-]
Posts: 911 (09/05/07 21:49:55) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	A consultancy firm engaged to prescribe the standards and specifications for creating stations of international standards had come and made a presentation here. They have been engaged by Board for developing 11 stations to have facilities of international standards. It was a brilliant presentation and the models taken were that of Grand Central of New York and Union station of Washington DC. These stations, located on prime real estate (like most of the stations here) are hubs of intense commercial and recreational activity. In fact, the number of visitors to Grand Central is 5 times the number of commuters. There is also 12,000 sft of event management space available at the station and people can host marriages, banquets etc. if they can afford it. Even the best South Indian eating joint in NY is located in Grand Central. And the Grand Ball at the innauguration of each Presidency is held at Union Station. Such is the importance of these stations and the objective of the firm is to prescribe how we can develop some of our stations to reach this level. There is also great emphasis on passenger safety in the design and also on the preservation of heritage and encouragement of local art, besides the other technical and commercial aspects. But can we see some of our stations reaching that level? Ananth Sr.DFM/BSP
scmitra	Re: Passenger Amenities!	#10	[-]
Posts: 590 (09/05/07 22:26:47) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Anant Too low they build who build beneath the sky. But for the sky, there should be no fences facing us. Why not aim for that? Atleast we can go for some on-the-spot assessment of those stations and come back to try and remove pan stains and urinal stench from our system! scm
ananth	Passenger Amenities & stations!	#11	[-]
Posts: 911 (09/06/07 20:43:05) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Yes, Saurabh. We should think out of the box when it comes to developing our stations, besides other things. When we had gone to Board during our probation, we were told about the ideas which the Japanese firms had given to Indian Railways like having multi-level platforms to beat the space crunch in our stations. Even the stations in NY and DC were built long back but they have evolved into modern commercial complexes. I am sure that since our stations are on prime real estate, we should also think about reaching for the skies or at least about 10-12 floors above the ground. I don't know whether our Webmaster and his colleagues are thinking on these lines in RLDA. And regarding cleanliness, the presenter had a thing ot two to say. The same labour class which spits on our platforms don't spit on the floors of our airports (many of them do travel to the Gulf as construction workers). Why? He said that the floors of the airports are kept clean continuously and that is ehy people don't spit. Regarding urinals, we should develop more and more pay and use toilets in stations and in the circulating areas, which can resolve the problem to a great extent. Sulabh has built a very good elegant looking pay and use toilet in the circulating area of Bilaspur station. Worth having a look at when you come to Bilaspur next. A toilet with vitrified tiles, excellent lighting and with tolieteries available dead cheap even if if you walk in without any soap or even shaving cream! Ananth Sr.DFM/BSP
Alok Bhatnagar	RLDA's mandate	#12	[-]
Posts: 225 (09/08/07 00:15:04) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Ananth mentioned something about what RLDA is doing in reference to the ongoing discussions on stations. So I want to set the record straight on exactly what RLDA is doing (details would be available on RLDA website at www.rlda.in): - The world-class station project has NOT been entrusted to RLDA. The New Delhi station work is being done by Railway Board. I am not aware about the remaining 18 stations. Sometime back, based on a 'feeler' from Railway Board, we have formally requested for one or two stations to be entrusted to us on a pilot-project basis. Rly Board will take a decision shortly, based, among other things, on the manpower position of RLDA and the difficulties in filling up the posts here. - Similar is the situation about the budget hotel project. There has been discussion in Rly Board on whether the project should be transferred from IRCTC to RLDA. We have not been communicated the final decision of Rly Board. - At present, we are handling mainly the stand-alone plots of land which have been found surplus by zonal railways and entrusted by Rly Board to us for commercial development. While the details are available on RLDA website, around 35-40 of the 90-odd plots entrusted to RLDA so far should be prima-facie suitable for commercial development. Feasibility studies for the first 10 sites entrusted to us in Feb 2007 have recently been submitted and 3-stage open tenders for developers are expected to be floated this month. The first earnings from commercial development (which will be sundry earnings for the division/railway on which the plot is located) are expected in the last quarter of the current financial year. Feasibility studies for the other sites which are prima-facie suitable for commercial development are expected to be awarded this month after finalization of the panel of Consultants. Alok Bhatnagar Member Finance, RLDA
ananth	RLDA's mandate!	#13	[-]
Posts: 911 (09/09/07 21:33:56) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Sir, thanks for the clarification. I am of the opinion that RLDA should have a say in the development of the stations and I hope you will get the mandate for the same. I also had a look at the website but 8 of the 10 sites of the first lot have been listed. Ananth Sr.DFM/BSP
Alok Bhatnagar	Listing of sites	#14	[-]
Posts: 225 (09/10/07 08:16:30) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Dear Ananth, While the details of the sites are on the inside pages, the location/site plans of the remaining two sites of the 1st lot are still awaited from the Consultant. I will put up these as soon as they are received. A K Bhatnagar

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