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 vipulsingh |
post tender negotiations |
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Posts: 297 (07/04/07 02:04:16) |
What is the present status of instructions on post-tender negotiations?
website www.cvc.nic.in mentions a circular issued by CVC in March 2007, which states that post-tender negotiations [even with L-1] is to be done in exceptional circumstances only. |
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Govindu |
Not even with L-1 | ||
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Posts: 1001 (07/04/07 02:14:21) |
Some more responsibility thopo on TC and makes TAA is 2" less responsible. Now there will be verbal negotiation by convenor much before actual negotiation since reduction has to be substantial.
Govindu. |
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Chesula |
Re: Not even with L-1 | ||
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Posts: 53 (07/04/07 03:20:43) |
First of all,is it applicable to IR?(Board has not yet circulated it).
2ndly,it is difficult to say(though it cant be proved) that verbal negotiation does not exist now! |
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pankajp |
circulation thru internet | ||
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Posts: 347 (07/04/07 03:28:50) |
Chesula sir has raised a very valid question- Is internet not a medium for circulating such circulars? Almost all decision making railway officials now have internet access. Can it be claimed that till the circular is received thru proper channel in paper form, availability of such circulars on internet is not so important.
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Chesula |
Re: circulation thru internet | ||
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Posts: 53 (07/04/07 03:39:40) |
Agreed!
But,I did not find it in the circulars of Vigilance Dte(as of now,the latest available circular which post-dates the CVC guideline is dt. 04-05-07 & does not pertain to this issue). I have not seen any such circular in hard copy either. So,until such time that Board circulates it(by hard copy or uploading on net),I feel that it is not applicable to IR. |
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pankajp |
negotiations, CVC and railways | ||
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Posts: 347 (10/04/07 06:35:10) |
www.iricen.gov.in/modules...7&start=30
What is IR doing? Are CVC'c instructions dated 29-March-2007 (available on CVC's website) not applicable for IR? |
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Govindu |
As you take it. | ||
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Posts: 1001 (10/04/07 22:23:40) |
There is nothing wrong in accepting the guidelines. But let me tell the boys here and I shall post their views.
Govindu. SRDFM/HUBLI SWR. |
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Vivekanup |
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Posts: 39 (10/06/07 03:39:15) |
There is only one premise for entering into negotiations by Tender Committees; Possible reduction in rates, of varying degrees, by either working upon the TCs own costing/ LAR or by understanding the costing and LAR of the party.
In more cases than most, TCs heavily relies upon LAR and thus uses them as benchmark for fixing a frame within the rates shall 'look' reasonable. This leads to,more often than not, a meagre reduction. In some instances, the frivolous quoting by parties lead to substantial reduction, but such cases are few and far in between. In both the cases, negotiation would not be serving any purpose. It is better to give a higher rate from so called LARs, than indulge in time wasting exercise with non serious offerers. So, negotiation should all together be avoided. As far as CVC's guidelines are concerned, they are mere recommedatory in nature and not binding. Board my issue guidelines based on those recommendations for it to become binding. We may, like a sheep follow the CVC's instructions but they are merely recommendations. Negotiations do not serve any purpose and like post tender correspondence,they should also be banned. Regards Vivek Tripathi IRAS'98 |
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BP |
Game theory | ||
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Posts: 69 (10/06/07 08:26:50) |
Aha! Vivek, you have struck the Nash equilibrium.
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pankajp |
guidelines | ||
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Posts: 347 (10/06/07 17:40:58) |
Vivek sir
your posting means that letters issued by CVC/vigilance directorate are guidelines only. I think something is wrong in this assumption. |
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ananth |
CVC circulars! | ||
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Posts: 911 (10/07/07 20:52:22) |
Nothing wrong in the assumption, Pankaj! We are only bound by what Railway Board circulates to the Zonal Railways. After all, CVC deals with only such vigilance cases referred to it by Railway vigilance. Despite the correctness, in Vivek's views on negotiations, we still indulge in it, probably to avoid any adverse mention on the rates.
Ananth Sr.DFM/BSP |
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Govindu |
Hubli case | ||
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Posts: 1001 (10/12/07 23:47:24) |
Officers here are aware of the CVC guidelines but waiting for Railway Board's orders to implement.
Why so cool times? Govindu Hubli. |
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vipulsingh |
CVC | ||
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Posts: 297 (10/13/07 02:44:16) |
Ananth Sir
Railway's vigilance organisation is a part of CVC's organisation and not other way round. |
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pankajp |
instructions issued for stores tenders | ||
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Posts: 266 (12/18/07 02:12:46) |
http://10.1.10.21/stores/policy_circular_index-2007.pdf
Please see RBS Number 15/2007 dated 15-October-2007 on above link Have instructions for Works tender been issued separately by Civil engineering directorate? |
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Posts: 1 (12/20/07 21:00:56) |
One of the functions of CVC is
i. " to tender independent and impartial advice to the disciplinary and other authorities in disciplinary cases, involving vigilance angle at different stages i.e. investigation, inquiry, appeal, review etc.; ii. to exercise a general check and supervision over vigilance and anti-corruption work in Ministries or Departments of the Govt. of India and other organisations to which the executive power of the Union extends; ....... CVC Act of 2003 further states that: (g) tender advice to the Central Government, corporations established by or under any Central Act, Government companies, societies and local authorities owned or controlled by the Central Government on such matters as may be referred to it by that Government, said Government companies, societies and local authorities owned or controlled by the Central Government or otherwise; (h) exercise superintendence over the vigilance administration of the various Ministries of the Central Government or corporations established by or under any Central Act, Government companies, societies and local authorities owned or controlled by that Government: Provided that nothing contained in this clause shall be deemed to authorise the Commission
to exercise superintendence over the Vigilance administration in a manner not consistent with the directions relating to vigilance matters issued by the
Government and to confer power upon the Commission to issue directions relating to any policy matters;
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pankajp |
a new perspective | ||
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Posts: 267 (12/20/07 22:37:38) |
Respected ballastontrack
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Posts: 4 (12/22/07 04:21:21) |
Thank you for welcoming, it is indeed heartening to belong. I guess I have chellenged few mindsets.
Vigilance clearance is necessary because, it has been made mandatory by Railway Board to do so. There is, I believe some schism in understanding the role of vigilance organization. You can chose to apply your own mind, over vigilance's advice, but what has been laid ourt by railway Board or your own railways need to be followed. By the way have you seen a single letter of instruction on tenders' policy by SDGM of any Railway! I guess not. There shall remain a difference between Audit department and Vigilance Organization. Audit is a department, headed by a constitutional functionary, having a cadre of their own. CVC is a commission, under which the vigilance oganization functions, mutatis mutandis. The idea is not to belittle the role of vigilance, but to put it in perspective. BallastonTrack |
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